Unmute Your Magic - Hypnotherapist Sophia Hanson

In this powerful and heart-centered conversation, Tess is joined by Sophia Hanson, founder of The Speaker Sanctuary. Often called “the good witch” for her transformative energy, Sophia blends coaching, mentoring, and hypnotherapy to help individuals move from anxiety and fear into confident, authentic communication.

Together, they explore the deeper roots of glossophobia, how our inner critic shows up in moments that matter, and why building self-trust is the true foundation of speaking with impact. Sophia shares her personal story of discovering a significant heart defect in adulthood and how this life-altering moment deepened her work and her purpose.

Whether you dream of speaking on stage or simply want to feel more at ease expressing yourself at work or in life, this episode offers inspiration, practical insight, and a reminder that the ability to speak with confidence lives within us all.

 * Learn how hypnotherapy really works
 *  Understand the ripple effect of confidence
 * Explore the relationship between anxiety and public speaking
 * Be reminded of the power of Marianne Williamson’s famous quote

A must-listen for introverts, quiet powerhouses, and anyone ready to reclaim their voice.

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Transcript

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Welcome to the Diary of a Muse Podcast.

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I'm Tess Day and I'm absolutely thrilled to have you here with me embarking on this

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journey of discovery and transformation.

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Today we have Sophia Hanson, founder of the speaker sanctuary, joining us.

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Really lovely to have you here with us.

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Welcome.

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Thank you.

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Excited to be here.

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See where our conversation goes today.

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First of all, I just, you know, for the listeners here, I just wanted to touch on a little

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bit about you so you can sort of settle in and become familiar with what might, you

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might be exposed to in our conversation.

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So you're often referred to as the good witch, but you say truth be told, you use your time

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tested techniques and wisdom to transform people from a bag of nerves into captivating

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communicators capable of mesmerising any room.

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Gosh.

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So you use a combination of coaching, mentoring, hypnosis and your dedication, that is the dedication

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of your client, where you actually help them draw deeper into their self-belief, get them

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in the zone and then help them build the confidence they need to trust their words, to

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flow in front of a crowd.

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And the best part is you say you don't have to pretend to be anybody else.

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I love that.

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It's time to untie the real you and it'll feel like coming home.

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Well, if that's what you do for the world out there, I think that's pretty remarkable.

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And just on that note, having looked at some of your Instagram posts and some of the things

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you've written in your blog as well, it really resonates with me that you are very heart

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centered.

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This is just not about quick fixes.

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This is about genuinely diving deep into someone's experience in life and helping them transform.

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So I'm really excited to see where we're going to go today.

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But Sophia, just tell us a little bit about what you've been up to perhaps in the last,

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I'd say the last kind of 12 months because I know you've been involved in quite a few projects.

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You've written a lot of articles and are published in many, many places.

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So tell us a little bit about where you journeyed in the last 12 months.

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Gosh, it's interesting when you start to look at a time span over 12 months and try and

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work out what exactly has happened over that time frame.

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I do know that I've worked with some wonderful people over the last 12 months and often the

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people that you would expect to already be confident in terms of public speaking are

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often the people who really need the most support.

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So I've done a lot of work with people in that specific area over the last 12 months to

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make sure that they go from that cringed or what they're up to just feeling really uncomfortable

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to feeling a whole lot more comfortable in their own skin.

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And I also did fulfill one of my longer term goals over the last few months and that was

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to create a digital download so that people can go away and just make this one small purchase

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and then have everything that they need to listen to to get rid of that initial fear.

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So that's a couple of the things that have happened over the last 12 months.

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Had a lovely holiday in Turkey as well.

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So been bits and pieces going on but nothing too extravagant.

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A little bit nice work life balance.

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I love the idea of the digital download because sometimes you know perhaps learning a little

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bit before you start working directly with a professional can actually just you know

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ensure progress is easier would you say?

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I often find that if people are still in the absolutely petrified like cannot even imagine

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standing in front of a room it's really helpful for them to start off here because they take

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away that initial deep rooted anxiety and then we can build all of the practical skills

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and the understanding as to what works best in a room for people.

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Because of course if somebody prefers to come and dive straight in and do the deeply personal

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and tailored work first they can do it that way but it's just up to an individual what works

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best for them at that point.

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So you're covering both bases.

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Glossophobia let's just go straight there.

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Tell us what this is because I've seen you've written a blog post I've obviously explored

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it now because I've read it but just tell all listeners what glossophobius I was thinking

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lip gloss I was thinking all kinds of things but I knew it had to relate to sort of the work

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you do but yeah so let's then please.

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So glossophobia is essentially the fear of public speaking now even just the phrase fear

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of public speaking is not entirely correct because most of us are quite happy to stand up

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and actually say something outlined the fear is a lot more deep rooted and tends to be

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more around discomfort in being listened to and it actually being heard and all of that

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ties back into feeling judged feeling criticised feeling like perhaps you're not good enough

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you're not going to say the right thing people are going to be disappointed they'll laugh

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at you there's so so many layers dying so it's not really a fear of public speaking it's

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a fear of public judgments and with that insight what people tend to fear apart from the shaky

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hands and the dry mouth and the kind of tremble or their voice shaping and all of those kind

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of things it's just that real unease within their own body of oh they just want to squirm

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and it's that severe discomfort that actually taking up space and really allowing yourself

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to be present that doesn't only feed into how you are in public it feeds into every other

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part of how you are in your life so if you can overcome that to the point that you can stand

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in a room speak to a group of people as though you're just speaking to one person then it

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really supports you to become much more accepting of yourself but also not to take yourself

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so seriously because we get so bent out of shape like is everything just exactly right

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am I standing right am I looking correctly is are my slides right am I loud enough over

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here is I look at the right number of people in the room and all of those things are just

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extreme form of self-consciousness that completely gets in the way of connecting with the people

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that you're trying to talk to in the first place so yeah there's a lot of layers to go

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so phobia but layers that I love to I love to unpick and unravel nothing that she said

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there did not resonate I mean absolutely I can sort of think about how many times I've

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stood up in a room to speak and experience all those things yeah from the basics as you

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say the sweaty palms all those things but it is it's that it's it's not even the imposter

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it's it's it's so much deeper than that so yeah very very true and I've never heard it

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explained like that before so interesting and sometimes it can really take you by surprise

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it isn't even the moments where you are speaking to people who you deem us you know a particularly

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important scenario I remember once when I was in my twenties I went back to my second

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new school to ask if I could do another hire I'd already graduated from uni but I wanted

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to go and do higher modern studies I went back into the school I spoke to the deputy head

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master and then he went to get one other teacher to come in and talk to me and in those few

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moments sitting back in that school room some six six years after I had left school my

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throat completely closed over and I was sitting there with tears streaming down my face every

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time I tried to speak no sign would come out I was taking big sips of water to try and

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cam it back down and I just couldn't get any signs out whatsoever it was just making this

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little squeaking sign and eventually the headmaster put me out of my misery and said I think

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we've probably already covered what we need to cover so shall we just pick up on email

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afterwards like yes please and I just left thinking oh my gosh I'm hot I'm sweaty I felt like I

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was melting and I think more than anything it was just that deep sense of panic it wasn't even

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a bite that conversation so it had obviously triggered some kind of memory of being back in that

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school environment which just it's what triggered all of the physiological sensations which then

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triggered the fear and then I was just not in a good place to even have that conversation so I know

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how uncomfortable it can be no matter what's happening yeah so it's not always the obvious

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it's the things that and then being prepared or understanding yourself I guess on the work you do

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with your clients would would hopefully give them the tools to be able to manage anything

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if it came up yeah and it's supporting themselves too because often when we start to speak in a

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situation like that maybe we say the wrong words maybe we jump to the wrong slide we repeat

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something and instead of continuing and just supporting ourselves like you were a good friend you

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did a good job carry on just keep going you're doing really well we start to come into oh you

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idiot why did you do that I knew you were going to mess this up so all of that inner critic kicks in

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when actually what we really need to do is support ourselves in the same loving way we would

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support somebody else and when we start to know that we've got our own back then we start to see

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the support in the people in front of us instead of assuming that they're all looking at you with

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critical eyes thinking the worst so everything comes from in here and actually that's where the speaker

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sanctuary part as the the name of my business comes from because we assume that somebody else has

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to come and rescue us and throws a lifeline and please just get me through the situation but actually

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if you can go deep enough inside then you find your own sanctuary and that is where your speaker

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sanctuary is and as soon as you find that everything on the outside feels a million times more

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comfortable yeah because it is our relationship with ourselves before anything else and our

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our little inner voice that little chatter the critic yeah so you know obviously

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speaking public speaking is one thing that you obviously promote and focus on in your line of work

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you obviously help people with a variety of other things depending on what their needs are because

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obviously they might come to you for public speaking but then later on you find there's something else

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that needs maybe deep diving before they'd be ready to do that but also with hypnotherapy there's

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often still I think at taboo associated with oh someone's going to come in and take control of me

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you know and I know I mean I've been for myself I know that's not the case but how do you

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demystify that taboo or make people feel comfortable to trust the process I think like anything in life

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things change and things progress and there probably was a time in hypnotherapy where I

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hit my therapist we'd stand over you you will never smoke again from this moment onwards and you

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will be changed and transformed and you will never again touch the nicotine and we don't do that

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anymore but I don't do that anymore so for me personally hypnosis has been a long time coming I trained in

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yoga more than 15 years ago so I approached everything from a very holistic heart centered point of view

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I'm with hypnotherapy the person in the chair who is seeking the change is the person in control

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if they decide that I'm going to go or I'm going to listen but I don't want to change and I'm not going

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to change we're not going to make change you know I'm not here to try and convince anybody to do

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anything and nor do I get somebody in the chair and try to make them do something they don't want to do

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they're the person who has decided something has to happen it has to come from me and it has to be

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now they've put their hand up and said can you help me do this and only at that point will I say

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absolutely if I have somebody phoning me saying oh I don't know hypnosis is for me I don't really believe

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in it that's not for you or at least they're not for me because I have no intention of taking

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their money to spend hours trying to convince them that this is going to work it just makes it a much

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harder job for them to make the change it makes it a much harder job for me to have to consistently

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try to convince them that it's going to work so I always work with people who are already kind of

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self-selecting and saying I'm ready I want to do this I want the change now can you help me do it so yeah

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we're 100% not in control of what is happening and going to make you go out and do things you would never do

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if you want to go and stand on a podium when dance I can help you do it but if you don't want to go

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and stand on a podium when dance it's not going to be a side effect for where work together that's very

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much you're kind of stage hypnosis where it's specifically done for entertainment and that's not

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what we do here no one has ever left here clocking like a chicken you take the words right out of my mouth

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and that is the thing I think from a entertainment perspective that's what we've always observed and

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had a view of but it's it's it's the intimacy of a hypnotherapy session working with somebody who

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has that skill it's not really televised or or shared because it's a very private individual experience

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so yeah people have to well they like to hear from other people how did it go you know

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there's also no two experiences the same you know even one person might come to me for subsequent

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sessions either for a similar thing or or something completely different and their experience of

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each session will likely be different to the one before in the same way that if you make a pot of

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soup and then you make another pot of super week later the parents are slightly different the

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turnip is slightly different maybe leaks then everything just says a little bit different and so

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one person's experience of hypnotherapy will not be somebody else's so sometimes you might feel

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light and floaty you might feel heavy and warm you might feel slightly cool you might feel as if

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you're watching yourself from the outside other times you think no I know I'm here I'm just

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thinking about my shopping at the end of the day all of these things are actually completely normal

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it's hypnosis itself is a narrowing of your focus so instead of thinking as you might be right now

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I'm in a room I can see a plant I know that there's a picture I know that there's a window I know

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that there's some chairs behind me all of those things start to go from the peripheral vision far

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more into less and less of an awareness of what's out there and then more into the body and then

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beyond the body until you're really just focusing on the breath and then your eyes are closed and you're

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in the perfect kind of dream state to be able to to make all of those changes so it's actually a very

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very natural state of awareness to be in people going to an eye to hypnosis on a daily basis if you

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have ever driven your car home parked up and then thought to yourself I don't remember parts of

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that journey how did I even get here and that's just because you've gone into autopilot and you're

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driving from your unconscious part of your mind and hypnosis is the same you're just automatically going

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into a very narrowed state of awareness where the outside world is not what matters it's your rich

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inner world that is making all of the changes so it's a very special experience it is and I think also

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there's a sense of safety because you have somebody in the room with you who is almost aware of

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what your needs are and are guiding you directly to focus on that because a daydream or just going

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onto autopilot where we are is probably directed to the things that are most present on your mind at

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the time whereas coming to you for instance would be helping that person to shave away things that

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are getting in front of what they think they would like to have because sometimes I imagine that

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changes once people have their breakthrough it opens up other areas of interest right

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everything changes and everything everything can change quickly as quickly as you're ready

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or it might take a little bit longer to change but if it takes longer it's also because that's the

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time scale that you're ready for that change to happen when I have somebody in the chair and this is

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my hypnosis chair over here in the corner when I have somebody in the chair then I am

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calibrating the whole time which literally means they have their eyes closed that are way in their own

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little zone and I am watching in a gentle way like a shepherd's tending their flock I am watching

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for the softening of the face they're relaxing off the jaw I'm watching for the the movements of

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the eyes behind the closed eyelids for when the shoulders drop down for the breathing occasionally

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you'll see finger flickers or movements of the hands and that's generally in response to something

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that I'm saying so it's very much a dynamic interaction even although that person thinks their

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eyes closed and there's nothing to see there's a lot for me to see I'm going on what I can see and my

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interpretation of that is how I know how much further to go with something that we're doing when to

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give the words of reassurance or comfort when to get a little bit lighter and more confident and

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empowering and when to soften it all the way back down and just reassure them that you're in a safe

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place I'm right here with you right now this is just a memory that's coming up it's not real anymore

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it cannot hurt you and so creating the space for all of that magic to happen is an absolute honour

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and a privilege because changes literally happening right in front of my eyes.

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Yeah and for the peace and realisation for that individual to have that breakthrough it's yeah it's

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phenomenal I've spoken to one or two people who have been working who have worked with you for

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different reasons and we obviously just came about oh have you have you ever worked for Sophia

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because it is phenomenal how she's helped me one lady in particular had a very very bad addiction

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to chocolate and she said oh my goodness you know I've actually managed to fall back and control it

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it's not fall front of my mind anymore and we're not going to mention names or anything if she does

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listen to this I think she can feel very proud of her success but you know it is interesting it might

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start off with something like that but you learn beyond that so before we go any further I do know that

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I asked you to bring a quotation with you today to our chat I'd be very curious to know what it is

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would you please share it with us absolutely so this has been one of my favourite quotes for a long

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long time I am a keeper of quotes I have several notebooks jam packed full of quotes so it's

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always difficult to do like one but I think this one is wonderful particularly in relation to

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overcoming a fear of public speaking so it's from author Marianne Williamson often attributed to

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Nelson Mandela but it is from author Marianne Williamson our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate

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our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure it is our light not our darkness that

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most fighting us we ask ourselves who might be brilliant gorgeous talented fabulous actually

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who are you not to be beautiful I mean it is something I have heard on many occasions and read myself

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line completely with it being a South African of course when Nelson Mandela sited in his

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inaugural speech you know it just resonated I think it is very powerful part of me loves it that

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match I think everybody should have it in their home next to their bed and we should read it every day

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just as we step out you know because it's very empowering and a beautiful way to move into a little

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bit more about the background of Sophia Hanson I know I'm not exactly sure the date when but you

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had quite a life-changing experience do you want to just share a little bit of that with us and

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let's see how it aligns with this beautiful quote you've shared with us today as well sure so I

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found many many life-changing experiences over my years probably one of the most recent ones and perhaps

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one of the most surprising ones was that I discovered in 2017 that I had a three and a half

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centimeter hole in my heart that required surgery to close it for reference a three and a half

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centimeter hole is the size of a tea light candle so it's quite significant and we discovered this

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hole quite by chance I'd been doing some breathing exercises that involved lots of pooling

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down movements with the arms and I felt like I'd pulled a muscle somewhere in my chest and so several

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conversations with the local pharmacist and then visits to the doctor back and forth to the hospital

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and they concluded that this was a three and a half centimeter hole which is known as an

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atrial sexual defect which is an ASD essentially it's a birth defect and something that had not

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been picked up for my four decades at that point and I was also incredible about that is if you've ever

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watched the got to the end of something like Miss Marple or some kind of crime series and at the end

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you think oh it's so obvious of course that's what it was and if you had watched that final episode

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first and you had known who the culprit was and then you went right back to the beginning it would

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have been so obvious the whole way through like there was the evidence and they did this and did you

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see the way they looked at that person and oh that's why they lied about this particular situation

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that's why the boots were a size nine all of those things become really obvious so once we knew

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that I had this hole in my heart it became very obvious that I had had lots of symptoms in my life

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which were caused by that but which had never ever been attributed to anything like that

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so I'd been told perhaps I had some asthma perhaps I was just an anxious child

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perhaps I was more introvert and I just preferred to sit at home and read books at the weekend

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then go out and climb on a climbing frame with six other friends at the weekend so there was

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lots of different things that all of a sudden just made a lot of sense also the way that I used to work

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in a really really focused way and then I would just kind of crash and burn out for a few days and I

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go back to this high powered focused way and then crash and burn out again so hearing that I

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needed that surgery was a really big shock especially when immediately afterwards they told me not to do

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things like don't go don't go on any flights definitely don't take any long haul flights don't do

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anything that involves too much exertion and I thought okay you saw in my life I've been

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whitewater rafting I have jumped and jumped off the side of a mountain with a parachute I have been

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to India I have been to Dubai I have been to New Zealand I have been to Australia I have been to Nepal I

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have been on the longest long haul flight so you can imagine and suddenly they're telling me don't

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do any of those things they could be dangerous I was like why has she done them well yeah there's

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I need but it's interesting that again that's around the mindset isn't it so when you didn't know

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there was anything you went ahead and did it fortunately it was all okay so have you done anything like

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that since not anything to do with my heart I just didn't feel like I needed to do it

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I've already done it I've already done it I did go in a very fast inflatable when we were on holiday

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in Turkey I persuaded a lady that we had met at breakfast one day to just come and get on this

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inflatable we were thrown around the water ridiculous pace and we just screamed our heads off for the

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whole time but for me I didn't I just find it amusing that I was being told not to do all these things

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I had always done I mean I'd been up and never twice with this hole in my heart and I just thought

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you just have to push through you know when you feel tired and you're not sure if you can

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you just keep going with it so initially they tried to do something called the amp-laser device

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which would just mean a small procedure where they would pop this device in through a catheter

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and then they would inflate it so if you think like a cocktail umbrella where it's small to start with

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and then it would be inserted in through the hole and then they would inflate it and it would cover

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cover over the hole in my heart but what happened was that the the biggest amp-laser device that they

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had was almost exactly the same size as the hole in my heart so there was then a fear that if they

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did that procedure it could fall into my heart itself and then it would require emergency open

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heart surgery so although we did the initial investigation with this be suitable we decided it

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was too risky and we just went straight for open heart surgery so that was straight for the big

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operation and said yeah how has that changed things for you because obviously before that you

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didn't know it existed you'd had symptoms life was what it was but no limitations right clearly

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from all your adventures so how did that shift how did that shift for you afterwards recovery

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going out again in life now knowing yeah I think it's very different for everybody again back to

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how one person feels when they're speaking from to a room to how does somebody else feel there'll

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be similarities but there are several tiny nuances that make a really big difference I had spoken

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to some women who had had open heart surgery before and they were telling me you have a scar right up

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to here you won't be able to move you'll be very depressed your life will feel like it's over all

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of these different things and I was like I don't fancy the sign of this and that's not going to be my

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experience and so I went with the opposite feeling when I went into hospital I took flip flops and

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cydoslippers probably not the most health and safety conscious thing to do but I felt much happier I

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love the sign of the flip flops going along the floor it makes me feel like I'm on holiday it makes

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me feel relaxed it doesn't give me I'm 555 vibes when I'm just sneaking around a whole of the

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corridor feeling bad about myself I also took a really nice bright play colored kimono that my dad

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had bought back from me from Japan several several years probably decades earlier and both of those

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things just helped me to feel a bit more comfortable and after surgery itself on the first day that I

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walk up I remember thinking I can't move I felt like everything was so stiff and so hard and so

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uncomfortable and within 24 hours I was on the rooftop of the hospital in a little balcony area with

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my husband eating ice cream I was home within three or four days and I was told to just start off

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walking slowly short walks see how you feel and I think within less than three or four days of being

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home from hospital I was able to walk three three and a half miles on my own quite comfortably not

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feeling in any way vulnerable or unsafe and it was just about building up that confidence within

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myself again that yes I've had a really big procedure but my body had actually had to work a lot

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harder for the 40 years before because it was pumping the oxygenated blood back in to be oxygenated

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again instead of around my body so actually I suddenly had a huge reservoir of strength and energy

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that I'd never had before and that made me really determined to get back out there and to

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to feel really good about it the part that I wasn't prepared for was that I'd say this lightly but

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not lightly at the same time when I came home from hospital I was essentially a drug addict because

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even though I'd only been in hospital for three or four days I had been pumped with so much morphine

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and then I went from all of that morphine available the day I was in hospital to at home

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told to take up to eight parasyte malady and I remember that first night lying in bed I was shaking

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I was sweating I was cramping and it was a good week afterwards where I realized oh I was detoxing

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you know I just thought that was some kind of shock or trauma but actually it was the the drugs

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with the system yeah yeah yeah that is there's so many factors that go on so how do you see

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how do you see hypnotherapy had you qualified in hypnotherapy prior to this or was it something that came

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along kind of in between it how does it all knit together that's kind of fascinating

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itself because I read my first book about hypnosis when I was 15 and I really wanted to be a

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hypnotherapist in my twenties but I ironically didn't have the confidence to go and do it I didn't

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think I'd be able to do it I felt really paranoid about gosh what's that going to be like if somebody

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comes and says I want to stop smoking and then I hypnotize them and they still smoke like oh

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it just felt really confronting like that's the worst thing in the world it's not just I might be

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quite good at it it's like there's somebody there puffing away you're clearly not good at it

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so in my twenties I was quite nervous about doing it I didn't do it and ironically I went and

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trained to be a yoga teacher instead and again in terms of visibility and showing up and taking

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your place in the front of a room I was trying to choose between teaching Pilates or teaching yoga

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and I chose yoga because in my head I figured that yoga teachers could ask their students to close

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their eyes more often which meant people were not looking at me that's how much that fear of being

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at the spotlight in the spotlight in the line right at the front of the room being the leader so

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everybody can close your eyes oh thanks for that hypnosis kind of wind its way in right early in

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those days and then I did a qualification somewhere kind of well I didn't know 2016-17 and then I

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keep topping it up I think with anything you find one teacher there's parts that you go from them you

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make it a little bit your own you find another teacher and think oh wow I love the way that they do

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this it's so much more sophisticated or more impactful or more an alignment with how I would love to

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be and then I would bring that in so I'm always consistently learning I will never be done with learning

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learning is my passion I think in any realm where you're helping other people and you have to

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almost understand yourself and develop yourself there is constant learning I think Tony Rubbins calls

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it can I constant and never-ending improvement which which is lovely but there is I think there is

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also a time as a professional development and and staying up to date is important I think often for

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people as well you know at what point do we actually learn to just love ourselves as we are

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and not over-pressurise ourselves with too many expectations because that can also be quite a limiting

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mindset and behaviour to have you know I find it almost the opposite so the more that I learn

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the more that appreciation I have for the world it's the more love that I have for what's possible

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and I never I mean goodness I remember reading years and years and years ago

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no matter how much you learn there will always be somebody who is better than you and ultimately

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I might get to my very last breath wherever that comes and that might still be true there will be

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somebody else better than me at one particular thing but for me that that doesn't feel limiting

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it feels quite freeing I'm not fine to be any of those things I'm not fine to be the best at anything

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I'm just doing and it's the old cliche I'm doing the best that I can do but so much of the work that I do

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is not I'm not self-sufficient in the work that I do it completely depends on the dynamic and the

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rapport that I have with the person in front of me and nobody else on this planet will have the dynamic

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and the rapport with the person in front of me that I have and if they've come to me because that's

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what we have then I am 100% the best person for them and they are the best person for for me

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to work with them that moment so I just love learning there's every time I learn one thing there's

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another 15 things that I can go straight in and I find that really inspiring I'll never I'll never

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tie off learning yeah no me either I think it is it's exciting you know really exciting so let's

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look at a few things here public speaking I know that is your your overarching speciality you know

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but obviously you help people with a lot of other things there are quite a few things I've I've wanted

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to sort of just ask you about because not everybody wants to be a public speaker to speak on the

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stage and I know that you refer to that you know in your writing but imagine being able to be comfortable

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enough to do that how else is it going to expand your life you mentioned at the beginning of our

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conversation today what about communication in relationships you know how does learning how to be

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confident as a public speaker relate to that I would challenge anyone to find me even one reason

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to not become better at public speaking it just changes every part of your life the way that you

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will communicate in meetings the way that you will interact with your partner with your children

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were relevant with your family with your friends the way that you hold yourself the way that you

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speak to wait staff when you go out the way that you speak to check out staff the way that you interact

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with the world comes from the way that you interact with yourself and if you're constantly

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pulling those shutters or that cloak around yourself and saying don't look at me don't listen to me

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I'm a relevant I'm not good enough your energy is introducing you before you say a word so if you're

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going around in this not worth anybody talk to me you know just look at the body language and

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everything that comes with that people can tell how you feel about yourself by the way that you're

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holding yourself and if you are scared of public speaking if you're nervous you're automatically

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going to be in this down trodden kind of looking down don't look here and as soon as you

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start to rely what is inside of you to be enough to be loved to be supported to be

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strong enough to be confident enough in your ability and to trust yourself that whatever happens

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out there whether the slides don't work or a window falls down or a dog starts barking

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but trust yourself to be able to deal with whatever comes up in that situation all of that just

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it's like a kaleidoscope of color coming back out of you again and when you tap into that you really

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develop the the deep rooted belief that you will deal with whatever comes to you in life and

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it changes how you communicate with yourself and as soon as you are willing to support yourself and

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to be there through the hard times and to not just say oh come on sort out get over it this is

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ridiculous you know the harsh inner critic as soon as we can change that voice everything just

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in my mind I'm imagining one of those fabrics off in our adverts now or one of those like plug-in

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air fishers where the room is all horrible and groty and grimy and then suddenly one of these gets

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plugged in and switched on and the butterflies start to float by and the flowers come out and everything's

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a wonderful sympathy but that's how it feels when you should make that shift from I hate this I don't

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want to do this I'll do it if I have to do it in your heart and your stiff in your firm and you're

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just trying to get through this and if it's not right you'll hate yourself afterwards to I'm here

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let's have a call about whatever we need to Brenny Brian the American author and I won't say sociologist

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he has many titles a researcher a storyteller researcher she has this wonderful phrase which is

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strong back and soft front and that's so much of what we need when it comes to public speaking

387
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but for life as well and its ability to excuse me bust yourself to stand tall with your shoulders

388
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back to be open to the world but also to have the softness in the heart to be able to take in whatever

389
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is going around you and still maintain a strength and a softness and openness to whatever that is

390
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:46,400
that's happening so I love that phrase strong back soft front that sounds beautiful to me it's

391
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like having that spine right absolutely and then all the the squishy stuff that wraps around it

392
00:37:54,880 --> 00:38:02,240
that we need to to sort of yeah just have some fun in life it's the perfect blend of the masculine

393
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:08,080
feminine energy strong back soft front like and I guess that comes through in the yoga as well

394
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you know and I like more core strength so the focus is almost like if we start with public speaking

395
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as you said kaleidoscope it opens up other doors of opportunity and an individual can decide how far

396
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they think they want to go with it sometimes it's taken out of their hands because as that confidence

397
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grows and you're able to talk more or be able to talk more in a room I suppose you get promotion

398
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you get thrown into another field of opportunities and what about anxiety because anxiety is a huge

399
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thing right now in the world it's a big word we hear it thrown around everywhere how can working with

400
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you even if it is just focusing on public speaking how can that anxiety piece be shifted beautifully

401
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in a one word answer beautifully if I think back to a particular client and I have permission to

402
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to share bits and pieces the very first time she came to see me I opened the front door and she

403
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:24,640
she kind of crumpled into me like through the front door and she was shaking from head to foot absolutely

404
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:30,080
shaking like this and she held out her hand and said look at my hand and it was like this so he came

405
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through to the kitchen and I made her a cup of tea which is what I do for everybody and I said to her

406
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:42,080
your safe here we're only going to do what feels good for you today and you can stop me anytime you

407
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:47,680
want to but by the time you leave here today in an hour's time I promise you you will feel better

408
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than you feel right now and you will know what you need to do to calm yourself down until this passes

409
00:39:53,440 --> 00:40:00,800
okay so we did various different techniques and we did a lot of talk around mindset and understanding

410
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:08,720
how her her mind was analogy I use often is like a car alarm so you typically want your car alarm

411
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to sign when somebody is about to crowbar the door and make off with your car you don't want your

412
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car alarm to sign because a butterfly has landed on the windscreen you don't want your car alarm to

413
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sign because a dog has walked past on the other side of the street you don't want the car alarm to

414
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sign because it started to rain you only want the car alarm to sign when there is an actual

415
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imminent danger that you need to do something about and anxiety is basically that car alarm that

416
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has become incredibly sensitive and over activated and so we're retraining the mind the unconscious

417
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:50,720
part of the mind which is responsible for more than 90% of what happens in our life we're retraining

418
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that part of the mind to recognize this is not an actual danger this is something that we can

419
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control and come back to sometimes it's about changing your your breathing changing your physiology

420
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:10,480
sometimes it's also about recognizing actually I've got too much energy and if I'm just trying to

421
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:16,960
calm it down I feel more stressed and in those situations I'll say if you're shaking don't suddenly

422
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,520
start doing deep breathing and trying to calm yourself down that's just energy with nowhere to go

423
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:28,000
so if you're shaking shake put on some music have a proper shake shake your arms like shake your

424
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:35,360
arms overhead and so it's learning how to best support yourself in that situation that particular

425
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:43,280
lady was unable to go to work her husband was working away from home she was unable to drive herself

426
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:49,040
she didn't want to be in the house on her own he had to stay at home for her for that period of time

427
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:56,560
and over the course of our work together she went back to work she drives she was up and down to

428
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:02,880
Edinburgh she was down to London visited Buckingham Palace she's back at friends weddings she's

429
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:08,880
just completely taken her life from this black and white quite depressed scenario to

430
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:17,120
fuel technical her again just from learning how to work with her own widening and she had already come

431
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:23,280
through a kind of medicalised system where it was here's some medication this will help and all it

432
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:29,440
did was numb her down even more until she didn't know who she was and couldn't really feel the feeling

433
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:34,800
she just felt no more was surprised all of the time my of course there's different routes for

434
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:40,000
different people and for some people medication is absolutely the answer but for her it was learning

435
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to take back that control recognise that where she was putting her focus all of the time either was

436
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:51,920
helping her or wasn't helping her but her life is completely completely transformed that's life

437
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:57,920
changing for everybody you know because I think there is a ripple effect that comes from that it's

438
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:04,480
not just the individual who's been with you whose life just gets so much better again it

439
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:10,240
filters out into those relationships those connections life experience especially close family

440
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:17,680
sometimes if somebody's not really well you know it can cause everybody else to start behaving

441
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:23,920
differently around that individual which affects how the whole dynamic works memories experiences

442
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:32,800
so you might help one person and in turn that affects the lives of maybe 10 15 20 people without them

443
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:40,080
having to do anything and the danger often for people who experience strong anxiety severe anxiety

444
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:45,600
is that exactly as you just said the people around them start to treat them differently they stop

445
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:51,600
inviting them to do things and the reinforcement loop within the person experience and the anxiety

446
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:57,680
becomes even they don't think I can do and so they would treat further and further back occasionally

447
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:03,840
we find what we refer to in hypnotherapy a secondary gain which basically means sometimes there's a

448
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:11,840
benefit to being seen to be that anxious person and if they they have anxiety don't bother them or they

449
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:18,000
have anxiety we shouldn't ask them to do this thing they're actually have some benefits to not

450
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:23,200
overcoming anxiety they're short term benefits very short term benefits but they can often find

451
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:29,440
themselves in that space off well actually if I get rid of this anxiety for learn how to master it

452
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:35,200
for some people maybe they need to go back to work and they've been signed off maybe they get given

453
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,680
more responsibility at work maybe they start having to do more things within the family that

454
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:44,320
didn't have to do before sometimes they might even have to go out and socialise to things that they

455
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:50,240
didn't feel comfortable socialising in so there's so so many layers and it's very different for

456
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:57,920
for every person but I there's a really exciting moment in any of those hypnotherapy sessions or

457
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:03,200
coaching sessions where you can just see that you're very very close to that breakthrough and if

458
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:11,360
if you're quiet enough you can hear that penny drop well yeah then the switch that moment of

459
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:18,000
yeah because there's that saying life can change in an instant but so many people get stuck for so long

460
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:24,320
they don't actually realise that it was that moment where the brain decides okay this feels so

461
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:29,680
good this is what I want life to be like and suddenly everything that held us back fades into

462
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:36,960
significance because you think gosh you know that 2020 vision statement if only I knew then what

463
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:42,240
I know now but sometimes we have to go through that journey I think we can there's so many labels we

464
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:48,480
can frame things in so many different ways but how would the process begin I mean I know on your

465
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:53,600
website there is a place where someone can click and have what was it you called it a curiosity

466
00:45:53,600 --> 00:46:00,320
conversation curiosity curiosity call yeah essentially just to for that person to raise their hand

467
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:05,600
and say this is something I'm committed to doing how does it work and really it's a bit like a first

468
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:10,960
date you're kind of working out do I like the vibe of this person do I feel like they can support me

469
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,360
can they give me the reassurance that they they need on any questions that they've got to ask so

470
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:21,840
all of those things kind of come up on a curiosity call I think the most important thing before anybody

471
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:28,160
considering hypnotherapy is I'm not the person doing all the work I'm facilitating the work if

472
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,800
someone is coming to me get your magic wand wafing around to make all the change happen

473
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:39,120
some of that change will happen but it's not going to give them the feeling of empowerment and trust

474
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:45,760
within themselves when somebody is willing to say okay this is not working for me I know something

475
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:54,320
needs to change I know it has to be now and I know it has to come from me passing them and then they

476
00:46:54,320 --> 00:47:00,560
pick up the phone or send me a message and say can we arrange a call then I know that they're already

477
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:07,280
empowered and enough of a self-starter that we can make that change so the people who are

478
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:12,720
oh I'm probably hopeless hypnotherapy works for the people it's not going to work for me and

479
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:20,000
just don't think I'm cut out for it I'm not here for the bottle feeding it 100% has to be okay

480
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,720
I'm ready to make the change I'm ready to go to the next level I know that I can stand up and speak

481
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:30,560
in a room full of people I don't enjoy it I know I can do better I know I can be more me I know I can

482
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:37,280
connect I know I can rip off this performance mask I know I can prepare better I know I can speak more

483
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,400
kindly to myself afterwards and continue to learn and I know I can make a bigger difference for the

484
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:47,200
the message that I need to convey to those people and I know that I'm there to serve and actually

485
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:52,320
it's just getting over myself enough so that I can do that they're the people that I really love

486
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:57,200
to to work with because actually public speaking is not about when I'm public speaking it's not about

487
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:02,400
me it has to be a right those people and it has to be a right the message and it has to be about the

488
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:08,000
connection that the interplay that you have back and forth but most people make it all about them

489
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,720
they're looking at me they're thinking about me they're judging me they're doing

490
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:16,080
and then you just go into this downward spiral where you just want to disappear and go back in like

491
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:21,920
a reverse jack in the box I loved your example of internal dialogue oh shall I shine

492
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,480
tishala shantai or what about this what about that because that's the that's the crisis point that we

493
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,600
go through but often there's something that happens there's that turning point where a person gets

494
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:38,640
that place where they go okay this is enough I cannot go on like this anymore I need help or I want

495
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:44,400
to I want to break free free from these these shackles in whatever form that's going to look like

496
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:50,400
so here's a really brilliant example of exactly that where we think oh we'll just overcome the fear

497
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:57,040
of public speaking or we'll just overcome the fear and it's so so much deeper than that and a far

498
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:04,000
wider ripple than that somebody came to me let's call this person Marie for the sake of the conversation

499
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:10,720
Marie came to me and said I have a fear of flying I can get on a plane but I am heavily

500
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:15,920
medicated I have to drink vodka before I can get on this plane I will think I'm going to die as

501
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,560
soon as I book a ticket I will cite myself up so going right back they will cite themselves up to

502
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,640
book the plane ticket as soon as the tickets booked I'm so selfish I'm gonna die my family's gonna

503
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:29,280
be so upset why did I do this to myself I don't deserve this holiday I shouldn't have done it

504
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:34,960
I should just stay at home so they came to me and said can you help with fear of flying yes so

505
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:40,400
we did the work together overcame the fear of flying this person then went on holiday to Florida

506
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:45,360
had an amazing time came back sent me message a few weeks later so it's really weird my friend just

507
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,840
invited me to Belgium for the weekend and I've just booked a ticket and I didn't even think about it

508
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:55,840
it was just like booking a train ticket or booking a taxi they just did it went again no concerns no

509
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:03,440
panic before no panic during no panic after went from being unable to hold a conversation on a flight

510
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,120
having to just have headphones on me to break look out the window feel sick keep talking to

511
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:12,960
themselves to this is really good there's passengers next to me I can have a conversation with so

512
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:19,200
that fear of flying gone and then they said to me can you help me with an embarrassing problem

513
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,440
I thought I wanted to do this can imagine I hit my therapist that's not a message you want to get

514
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:28,160
what kind of embarrassing problem were we talking about here yeah ultimately no problem is embarrassing

515
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:32,240
but you always wonder where it's gonna go can you help me with an embarrassing problem sure what's

516
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:37,360
the embarrassing problem I have a fear of public speaking okay that's what we're gonna do so came

517
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:46,560
along we dealt with the fear of public speaking that person was then praised by their bosses was given

518
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:53,360
the opportunity for a promotion which they then accepted and they moved from Scotland to Abu Dhabi

519
00:50:53,360 --> 00:51:00,560
now could that person with a fear of flying and a fear of public speaking have done that so we don't

520
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:06,640
just take away a little fear and say oh well that's that fear gone we take away a fundamental

521
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:13,120
pin think of the bottom of a block of jenga we take away that one pin that thrumbles down all the other

522
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:20,400
limitations and phase you up to rebuild however you want to rebuild and that would not have happened

523
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:26,720
if they had just sat there with or I don't read flights I'm scared to fly or I don't I don't go on

524
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:33,200
holidays I'm scared off or I can't do that presentation I'm scared off it so they took all of that matter

525
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:39,440
into their own hands raised their hands so fear can you help me with this yes why a nice life in a

526
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:47,520
warmer country yes I think that is the point we get so introspective over one little one little issue

527
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:53,360
we we forget that that could be the what I suppose I'd like to say the plug you know if you take the

528
00:51:53,360 --> 00:52:00,560
plug out and wash that all away then that opens up a whole lot of amazing things so this has been

529
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:05,920
such an interesting chat and I think we'll have to have you back at some point down the line for an

530
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:11,440
update some more interesting stories because you're a fantastic storyteller I'm thinking how

531
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:16,960
you managed to get that right probably seven years of the radio journalist but many other reasons

532
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:25,200
to I'd love to introduce you to my last guest because he did radio in San Diego California as well

533
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:30,400
so you probably have a lot of fun things to talk about but you know I've loved this today it's

534
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:37,280
really nice to get up close and personal and and just delve into I guess the work you do because

535
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:43,520
when we meet people in crowds and when we just have the light conversation there's never really

536
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:50,320
an opportunity to sort of understand on a deeper level and and I think you know it's phenomenal

537
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:58,800
what you do but not only that I think the strength the confidence we know about that but the

538
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:04,560
certainty with which you you explain what you do and I think that would give a lot of confidence

539
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:10,560
encourage to somebody who is wobbling at the knees to know that they are in a safe place

540
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:18,000
and I think there's one one final example yes we often assume that the

541
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:27,200
lightest most gregarious most extra person in the room is going to be the most confident public speaker

542
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:34,160
or that you have to be like that person to be a good public speaker but I will always maintain

543
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:41,600
the person who is the chemist the person who is breathing in the most anyway that is the person

544
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:47,600
who has access to all of the resources they need to be able to respond and react to whatever

545
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:56,240
happens in that room and so introverts are amazing at public speaking I'm what you call a highly

546
00:53:56,240 --> 00:54:03,280
sensitive person and an HSB and so that means that I am very very attuned to people's energies

547
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:07,440
people's movements I'm the person you'll sit with at lunch who is passing you the butter for

548
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:12,480
the bread roll you didn't know you were picked up in your hand I'm always really aware of what is

549
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:21,120
going on in the space and it's that's quality for other people that helps them to become fabulous

550
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,440
public speakers because the people who can observe all of the time and I've had a lifetime off

551
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:31,600
observing have such a deep wealth of resources to be able to pull on where's the person who's

552
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,760
always out there talking and chatting and being lied they haven't got a clue who else has come into

553
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:40,800
the room they they could miss their favourite pop star or film star right behind them because they're

554
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:49,760
so busy focused out here and so the people who are naturally quieter or sensitive you're an absolute

555
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:57,760
powerhouse waiting to be unleashed so it's exciting it is and so I'd say to all our introverts

556
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:08,960
introverts out there let's see what 2025 can bring you away if you were to just what would the

557
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:14,240
what would the process be so if you know if someone was to take a piece of paper out right now

558
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:22,880
and just I suppose say what how would I like 2025 to be what's the one thing in my way you know

559
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:30,720
that could be an opening curiosity call with you you know I would say specific to public speaking

560
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:36,000
the best thing they could do is draw column draw a line down the middle of the page so you have two

561
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:42,960
columns one column is all of the ways that this aversion or avoidance of public speaking is causing

562
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:48,880
problems and that might be as small as I always have to repeat myself three times when I go to order a

563
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:55,840
coffee to I I'm petrified I run away and I take the day off sick my boss asks me to present so one

564
00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:03,360
side of all the ways that that fear is holding them back and then the other column all of the possibilities

565
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:08,800
and the opportunities that would open wide if they allied themselves to go there and when they have

566
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:15,040
those two columns they're really going to recognize it one is like wearing shoes that are four sizes

567
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:20,640
too small there's blisters there's bunions there's painful bits your face tells a story all day long

568
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:26,880
and the other is my shoes are custom made and they're so comfortable and I can grow into these and

569
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:33,520
and really allow that to happen and expand and there's no limit to what you can put on yourself you

570
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:38,560
know the person who starts off just being a little bit more vocal in a daily meeting at work

571
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:45,600
might then go on to want to be in a stage to training new people to taking it either further than that

572
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:51,120
but it's finding what's right for each person not everybody wants to be up on stage to an

573
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:57,040
an Oscar winning speech but it's finding what's right for you and if you can't communicate in the way

574
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:04,880
that you want to I liken that to when you're in the supermarket and you see a toddler who cannot express

575
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:10,400
why they're so upset that they have lost their toy or that they are not aligned to that chocolate bar

576
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:15,520
and so instead of really regrouping with themselves and being able to cam themselves dying and express it

577
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:21,120
they are just thumping and squaring and there's hot tears and then 10 minutes later they just kind of

578
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:28,080
pretend it never happened and so if you can't express how you're feeling you're not willing to go

579
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,960
to the dark places as well as the bright places inside of yourself you're focusing on all the triggers

580
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:40,480
and not the glimmers or the shimmers then that's a really it's a really murky dull place to be

581
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:47,040
and when you realize that you just need to wipe that screen clean then everything is brighter

582
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:52,960
on the other side and there is there is no limitation unless you want to put a limitation or

583
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:58,240
sealing on it yourself you couldn't have said it more beautifully

584
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:05,440
do you have your quotation to hand because I wonder if after all of that that would just be such

585
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:12,960
an amazing way to sort of close this conversation or absolutely would you like me to read it now?

586
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:21,280
yes please okay our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate our deepest fear is that we are

587
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:29,840
powerful beyond measure it is our light not our darkness that most frightens us we ask ourselves

588
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:38,880
who am I to be brilliant gorgeous talented fabulous actually who are you not to be?

589
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:46,240
absolutely amazing thank you so much it's just been wonderful speaking to you i'm sure we'll get a

590
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:52,960
lot of feedback from this conversation today guys please reach out to disappear if you have even

591
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:59,280
just one tiny glimmer of a desire that you'd like to discuss with her and see where it might take

592
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,840
if you have any questions i'm sure she is definitely the person to have a chat with but thank you very

593
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:10,080
much we'll be back next time do you want to be a public speaker? do you just want to be a great

594
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communicator with the loved ones? we'll see you again very soon bye for now

595
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